Should Timeshare Be More Transparent? (20 posts)

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  • Profile picture of Admin Admin said 2 years, 2 months ago:

    Should / could timeshare be sold more transparently by advertising the cost of membership at each resort like other products? Or should it still be kept from consumers until the end of a timeshare presentation? Let us know what you think.

  • Profile picture of World-Wide-Weeks World-Wide-Weeks said 2 years, 2 months ago:

    I think its about time that all areas of timeshare are 100% transparent, why do companies what to keep the end user in the dark till the end i fail to undersand why.

  • Profile picture of Scott Patterson Scott Patterson said 2 years, 2 months ago:

    The reason why we keep the price hidden until the end is because this is an emotional sale and is not a sale done on pure logic. The program must be explained and the value must be understood before the prices are shown, otherwise the perspective clients will not be able to justify the cost. I understand that we purchase things everyday that we don’t understand how they work. Cars, watches, etc. However we do understand what the ownership of these items will do for us and we do understand the perceived value of a rolex versus a timex. The same applies to our program, but people need to have explained to them what this will do for them and this involves how it works before the cost is shown. If and when this goes into a general real estate sales approach, where people come into the office looking for our product and no gift is involved, then the prices can become transparent. Until then a perceived value must be set in thier minds in order to justify the costs of the program. Sales have been conducted in a certain manner for over a hundred years without a lot of it changing and there is a reason for that: IT WORKS. To recreate the wheel is not only difficult but can become frustrating and costly. So the next question would have to be: Why don’t we just hand out brouchers and let people come back at thier leisure and purchase our product instead of making it a decision on the day? You will find this is the same reason why we keep the cost hidden until the end. Costs would soar and the prices would go out of the reach of the average person wich are the people whose lives we are trying to improve.

  • Profile picture of mike leggatt mikeleggatt said 2 years, 2 months ago:

    at club riviera we advertised the price nationally and had 30000 members in five years.

  • Profile picture of said 2 years, 2 months ago:

    I support Scott but maybe in a half, because I suppose for existence of two groups of people – the first is that one, which should be persuade that THIS IS YOUR PROPERTY AND YOUR LIFE and when this is happened than the cost “to be your” will seems to be not so much and you can pay it. The other group maybe will be interested firstly “how much it cost?” and then you should “go around” the customer so he/she can be convinced that “this price is a good price for that good property”. It seems that the second way is harder and longer and that why presentators prefer to work by the first way

    :)

  • Profile picture of Philip Watson Philip Watson said 2 years, 2 months ago:

    In some respects Scott is correct if you are dealing with a timehare virgin unfortuanetly, in the secondary timeshare market we have to advertise the price up front and for us that works. However, people are still very sceptical if the price is too low and will often queery if we get our pricing wrong. Also we do not use Freebies to get our leads but through the use of Television we are able to a) get quality over and b) variety through exchange so I feel that we are now getting to the stage where pricing could become transparent. As Scott mentions/uses cars as a comparison people know the price of a car before they buy one 9 times out of 10 so why shouldn’t they know the price of timeshare?

  • Profile picture of Michael Berris Michael Berris said 2 years, 2 months ago:

    Any sound intelligent person does not buy anythng on price, they buy based on perceived value for money.
    Just as is the case in timeshare, it would be absurd to ask the question “How much does a car cost?” What kind of car, with what features? How many do you want it to carry over what kind of terrain at what speed and comfort levels? What is the availablity and costs of parts and service? There is an almost infinite number of questions that may need to be answered and then prioritised. If on the other hand, the questioner already has a particular car and simply wants another identical in every way; at which point the cost and payment options are probably the only questions to be answered.
    I don’t think there is any difference in timeshare. Until you are able to identify all the relevant features, advantages and benefits for the respective new owner, pricing is only going to compound any preconcieved notions they may have preventing them from making an accurate determination on all of the evidence as to whether the product on offer would provide them value for their money or not.

  • Profile picture of Admin Admin said 2 years, 2 months ago:

    I love the car analogy as it works both ways…

    1. Not all cars are equal, but everyone knows what a car does, so a specific car can be explained and price transparent in a 30 second commercial.

    2. Not all cars are value for money. Over a certain price they are bought for status and are brand sensitive, such as Lexus, Jaguar etc which still produce family cars but at double the cost of many marques.

    3. Not everyone likes every type of car, but most families own one and most would prefer a better one than they have.

    4. Most people will have shopped around before deciding on which car they wanted and compared prices to quality, features and benefits.

    This is very much the same with every product, except timeshare – or is it…?

    1. Not all timeshares are equal, but after 40 years pretty much everyone’s heard of them and think they know what one does, so a specific timeshare’s features and benefits could be explained in a 30 second teaser commercial and price transparent in the sense of “Prices starting from…”

    2. Not all timeshares are value for money. Some based on brand and location are very over priced, but often have the highest sales records. Again timeshares over a certain price are bought for status and are brand sensitive, such as Marriott, Hilton etc.

    3. Not everyone likes every type of timeshare, but most families that already own one are generally happy and many would like either a better one or an additional one.

    4. Most people will have shopped around before deciding on which timeshare they wanted and compared prices to quality, features and benefits – We all know the statistic that suggests most timeshare owners bought on or shortly after their third presentation…with the power of the internet, the future dictates that consumers will want to shop around and compare.

  • Profile picture of Paul Mattimoe Paul Mattimoe said 2 years, 2 months ago:

    Having worked from sales rep to Project Director of multi-resort companies over the years, I am very aware of “how it’s always been” and “IT WORKS so don’t try to reinvent the wheel” – but sticking with the analogy of cars above, just look at how much they have changed over the past 40 years; in shape, size and the way they are sold through the latest technology and marketing channels.

    Then look at timeshare, which hasn’t really increased in price in the past two decades, an industry that was built to be “for life” and yet a popular trend now is to sell shorter term memberships – many said these wouldn’t work but many are being very successful with these and helping to reduce their ageing owner base issues at the same time. Some are advertising on TV and doing very well aiming at the mass market, and companies like mine with Owners Perspective Magazine, our consumer publication, are aligning with major airline brands, hotels, resorts, spas and golf clubs and provide a platform for consumers to explore the possibilities of shared ownership products and enquire at their leisure – who then, get booked in the usual way for an inspection visit, BUT knowing exactly what they are going to look at, and with a view to buy if they like it.

    Whether we like it or not, today more than ever, the consumer dictates how, where and when they spend their money, and unless timeshare developers respect and acknowledge this quickly and give them more options on how to engage with and buy their products then there will be harder times ahead.

  • Profile picture of Michael Berris Michael Berris said 2 years, 2 months ago:

    Love your comments Paul.
    Until developers realise that this market is becoming vastly more sophisticated, and respond with a much higher level of integrity and modern business accumen, they will miss out entirely on the burgeoning young entrepreneurial market who have available money, and lifestyle as one of their key DBMs.
    Unfortunately, rednecked neanderthals (often with a british accent) seem to still dominate the timeshare landscape and refuse to tolerate change.

  • Profile picture of Paul Mattimoe Paul Mattimoe said 2 years, 1 month ago:

    Well, although I have a British accent myself :) I have worked in and spent a lot of time assessing most markets around the world, and it does astonish me how the approach to selling timeshare differs from one region to another (considering they all buy cars in the same way – see above) and how some regions are booming through change and others are flailing and stagnant because they either refuse to change or just don’t get how to.

    Simply put, timeshare has never become a sought after product, because it has never been sold in a universal way – however through being addictively stubborn, the industry has manage to survive and under-achieve for over 40 years! And however it develops, long may it live.

  • Profile picture of Scott Patterson Scott Patterson said 2 years, 1 month ago:

    Well I would like to start off by saying that I really love this forum and am happy to see all of the responses that this question has generated and I am pleased that my anology has brought up so many responses. However I can only say that we are all in this together and I really don’t understand what the redneck (with a british accent) is all about. I am American and although I have been disappointed to find the brits to dislike us more than the middle easterners during my travels around the world, I still don’t understand the derogatory comment. Where I am from “rednecks” have gun racks in the back window of thier pick up trucks and all say the same thing before crashing into a brick wall at 60 miles per hour. “Here hold my beer and watch this.” hahahahahaha It is just as hurtful as calling the heat merchants in our industry “cowboys” as a cowboy has always stood for integrity in the states.
    With that being said I will stand on my statement as to why we are not transparent on our prices. I remember when i got into this business in 1980 and were talking to the “virgins” the same things were being said about the consumer being more sophisticated then and I have heard it every year since. Yes the internet has changed things and the resale market is now very prevelant, however, what we take for granted is the fact that we know the industry and others don’t as well as we do, and there are many programs out there now. Internal points, rci points, fixed, floating, etc. Do any of us remember when we first started in the industry and had to learn what it is that we were selling? Remember how complicated it seemed then? Now that we know what it is and understand the “tricks” of the trade, we forget that others do not. Yes the customer is more educated (or some of them are) however we still sell a dream and not a tangible product. For this reason the percieved value must be established before we can get into the pricing. To simply say that you are purchasing 1 52nd of a $200,000 condo for $20,000 doesnt make financial sense. It is why we spend the time on financial logic that we do. I agree that all clients are not equal and have priced many exchangers up front, but the average person must first understand what they are buying to justify the cost.
    Isn’t it great that we can all have a difference of opinion and share them openly and agree to disagree. Kinda like the front to back vs TO debates? My thoughts are that the concept that we use today has worked for 40 years and until this becomes a product that is actively sought and we then turn into a general real estate industry, the games we play must continue. Think of the true joy we bring to our buyers when they purchase and use our product. Isn’t that worth it? Any way let’s keep it civil and good luck and good selling.

  • Profile picture of Timeshare Coach Timeshare Coach said 2 years, 1 month ago:

    What is the Timeshare Sale really about? Emotion, enthusiasm, greed, excitement, holidays, saving money?

    PEOPLE – that’s what the sale is about. (and that’s why we price at the end)

    It’s about people like you and me, not just Sales Reps v Clients. The clients that buy Timeshare are normal people with the same aspirations, fears, concerns, desires, dreams as you and I have, and that relationship is why they attend a presentation for a gift with no intention of buying a Timeshare yet a few hours later sign up to spending thousands of dollars. Why? Because they made a relationship, built trust and saw value. If you asked a thousand people who took tours I am sure they like the game of the presentation and that price at the end, the best Sales pros make it fun……the clients enjoy their time on tour….to some it can be quite exciting. Most people have taken tours now and yes some now can buy online, yet the majority still prefer that One on One Timeshare Tour experience….and if the Sales Pro is really good that’s why so many buy who just went for their gift…..

  • Profile picture of Michael Berris Michael Berris said 2 years, 1 month ago:

    There is another aspect to transparency that also needs to be addressed.
    Developer integrity regarding staff.
    I had a recent experience of travelling (at significant personal expense) to a timeshare job in Bali with a supposedly reputable company only to discover a number of deal breakers.
    1. They were so lacking in confidence about the credibility of their own product that they required sales execs to deliberately mis-lead clients about its abilities and nature.
    2. They used high level aggression, intimidation, humiliation and sexual harrassment as their dominant sales “motivation” methods when handling staff.
    3. They failed to mention at any stage that they had not arranged any legal work permits for staff, some of whom were on business visas and some of whom were on tourist visas. (I would recommend to all intending applicants for any job in a country other than their own that they verify the process the employer has in place for obtaining legal work permits.)
    When the industry “leaders” who advertise extensively on the Perspective and similar job sites still operate in this manner, what chance is there for the public to grasp the idea that the industry has the potential to be legitimate?

  • Profile picture of ravi naik ravi naik said 2 years, 1 month ago:

    The industry has some credibility because of players like the Marriott’s , Hilton’s , Disney’s and the Sheraton’s. Instead of building on this credibility, independent developers ( Not all) have used this industry to peddle spurious products —- most show-appartments remain only show appartments, the peak weeks are sold to the walk-in guest / FITs, the very affordable maintenance costs spiral beyond affordibility and the inventory to membership ratios are totally skewed.
    And the prices —- if u add up the interest lost on the cost of the membership + maintenance fees+ RCI fees + Exchange Fee ————— you know the financials. But then look at the Car Analogy (which Scott started) —a box of metal (highly depreciating ) with a marque name ————well they are all lifestyle products whose value is a combination of functionality, pride, greed and various other phobias and pleasure.