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Are Short Term Products the Future for Vacation Ownership? (11 posts)

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  • Profile picture of Steve Luba Steve Luba said 11 months, 2 weeks ago:

    In every conference I’ve attended this year (GNEX, CRDA, Ragatz, ARDA Orlando, CARE) industry execs are talking about the probability (and some say inevitability) of short term ownership products. What do you think?

  • Profile picture of Jim Wehrle jimincancun said 11 months, 2 weeks ago:

    I have heard the same things, Steve and that is what not only old timers are asking for but the newbies to the market. Nothing is forever anymore in this day and age and people are less and less willing to commit to “owning” anything “forever.” It’s not just men who are afraid of committment anymore!! LOL

    The new product needs to be good, flexible and constantly changing and adapting with annual renewals or “automatic annual renewals” until the owner/member decides he/she doesn’t want it anymore at which time…???. I think it is inevitable and will also keep developers and operators on their toes. Of course this will change the game but I think you can only keep selling the customer something he doesn’t want for so long until it’s all over. JMHO

  • Profile picture of Charles Patton Charles Patton said 11 months, 2 weeks ago:

    I agree that this is the wave of the future. Some points to consider however. Much of the timeshare industry is protected because the product falls under the category of Real Estate. There are many laws that exempt real estate from their effects — including securities and tax laws. (Note; This is not a legal opinion because I am not a lawyer but this is what lawyers have told me in the past). One factor that comes into play is that if the product is a right-to-use product, which a short-term product would be by definition, the product is most likely sales taxable – which could tip the overall economics. Also, the potential loss of financing interest might further affect the economics of such a project.The minimum term that one set of attorney’s felt was necessary to preserve the product’s status as Real Estate was 32 years. A 5 or 7 or 10 year product will definitely not be considered Real Estate and therefore could become exposed to undesirable consequences (such as sales folks who happen to mention “rental income” possibilities as being in violation of securities laws — for which their boss could face jail time). Anyway, the idea of a short-term product, while lots of benefits for the consumer, may have higher risks to the developer. This kind of a product will require some serious legal work and economic modeling before I would recommend it to any developer.
    Chuck Patton

  • Profile picture of Brian L. Tulloch Brian L. Tulloch said 11 months, 2 weeks ago:

    I agree that short term products, which are affordably priced are what today’s consumers are demanding plus some annual investment income ROI. RSI’s recent global market research survey with Perspective Owners readership strongly expressed favorable purchase interest 97% for our Hotel Investment Trust (“HIT”) innovative offering and “The Next Generation Of Resort Ownership Investments”. If you would like the global survey highlights, please email RSIAP@AOL.COM

  • Profile picture of Peter J Shoobridge Peter J Shoobridge said 11 months, 2 weeks ago:

    I posted the message below in the fractional forum a couple of weeks ago. No takers there, so it’s good to see this discussion firming up. Chuck touched on a few of the points in his posting. Peter Shoobridge

    “Has anyone brought a time-limited fractional product to market? This product variant would more closely reflect demographic shifts and consumer utilization. It also gets frequent mention at conferences, but I’m not aware of anyone having launched anything.

    Aside from marketing and presentation, there are numerous business issues arising:

    Legal form – a conveyance of a real property interest or not? Less significant to a non-US buyer, but potentially important in a US environment, both for consumers and regulators. If a product has a limited duration for use and ownership, there needs to be some ultimate exit strategy, whether by sale or otherwise. Who participates in any capital appreciation?

    Trustee – is a trustee advantageous for ownership of the real property? Piercing the ownership of real property has been a significant problem for the secondary market in all forms of shared real property ownership. This route would appear to overcome the absence of marketability of the real property following the term of the fractional entitlement. All use rights conveyed would be backed by real property held in trust for the benefit of the fractional program members. Upon expiration of the fractional program term, unpierced ownership of the real property could then be conveyed from the trustee.

    Pricing – how would the pricing of a term-delimited fractional product compare with that of a comparable fee simple sale? To the extent that the price of such an interest is less than that of an outright sale of real property, how is the unexpensed development cost (ie. the difference between the total unit production costs and the cost attributable to the fractional sale) to be financed or does one just have to accept smaller initial margins? How would buyer sharing of any capital appreciation in the real property at the end of the term impact front-end pricing?

    Term – 15 or 20 years would seem to make sense, depending on location and buyer profiles.

    Financing – assuming consumer financing returns at some point, could term-delimited products be readily financed? Sure, right-to-use timeshare products could be financed before the implosion, but in the fractional realm the loan amounts would be substantially higher. Suggests there might be financing issues.

    Accounting and taxation – what are the consequences of this product configuration for financial reporting and taxation? It feels to me as though we’re straying into lease territory, with revenue recognition being spread over the duration of the interest.

    Do any members of the group have thoughts or experience to share?”

  • Profile picture of tim lester tim lester said 10 months, 2 weeks ago:

    Brian,
    could you send me a copy of the survey to tlester@villagroup.com

    Thank you Tim

  • Profile picture of Kevin Ryan Kevin Ryan said 10 months, 2 weeks ago:

    Brian, Could I also have a copy. Many Thanks

    Kevin.ryan@tecomastans.com

  • Profile picture of Steve Luba Steve Luba said 10 months, 1 week ago:

    There has been discussion about term product as little as 3-5 years. There are legal hurdles, especially in the States, but is such a product viable?

  • Profile picture of Tony Avitia Tony Avitia said 10 months, 1 week ago:

    I do not see how 3-5 years is even a consideration it doesn’t really make to much sense. You could never get a product with enough to pay sales, marketing, and profit from a developer standpoint. Even though their are a lot of people talking about term products we are still selling billions the old fashion way. Short term products are usually exit products which you can then roll into a lifetime program.

  • Profile picture of Brian L. Tulloch Brian L. Tulloch said 10 months, 1 week ago:

    Do any members of the group have thoughts or experience to share?

    **Peter, Please my comments ** within your text below:

    Has anyone brought a time-limited fractional product to market? This product variant would more closely reflect demographic shifts and consumer utilization. It also gets frequent mention at conferences, but I’m not aware of anyone having launched anything.

    **Resort Suites International recent global market research entitled “The Next Generation of Resort Ownership Offerings” with Perspective Owner Magazine 13,000 Readership featured our Hotel Investment Trust (“HIT”). See our survey results 97% potential purchase interests,( request from RSIAP@AOL.COM)

    Aside from marketing and presentation, there are numerous business issues arising:

    **RSI’s “HIT” is non-traditional hybrid mixed-use Hotel & Shared Ownership Product to meet today’s consumer priority demands for annual income dividends. The ownership consist of two weeks minimum share or 1/8th Fractional Interest or PRC.

    Legal form – a conveyance of a real property interest or not? Less significant to a non-US buyer, but potentially important in a US environment, both for consumers and regulators. If a product has a limited duration for use and ownership, there needs to be some ultimate exit strategy, whether by sale or otherwise. Who participates in any capital appreciation?

    **RSI’s legal structure is basically a hotel business ownership with leased or fee title with 15-Year Financial ROI Analysis (Unlimited Ownership Rights). We have received the finest legal counsel on time/cost effective US registrations but our preference is to market to more affluent global markets such as Asia, etc. The “HIT” provides 100% Equity funds for construction and sales financing without annual maintenance fees.

    Trustee – is a trustee advantageous for ownership of the real property? Piercing the ownership of real property has been a significant problem for the secondary market in all forms of shared real property ownership. This route would appear to overcome the absence of marketability of the real property following the term of the fractional entitlement. All use rights conveyed would be backed by real property held in trust for the benefit of the fractional program members. Upon expiration of the fractional program term, unpierced ownership of the real property could then be conveyed from the trustee.

    **Bank Trustee services safeguard the investor-shareholders purchase ownership (Point-System) plus annual audits for their attractive income dividends. Our “HIT” Investment liquidity or Exit Plan is simply to sell the resort hotel (cap rate) with appreciation ROI or shareholders can resale their interest anytime via our securities brokerages networks.

    Pricing – how would the pricing of a term-delimited fractional product compare with that of a comparable fee simple sale? To the extent that the price of such an interest is less than that of an outright sale of real property, how is the unexpensed development cost (ie. the difference between the total unit production costs and the cost attributable to the fractional sale) to be financed or does one just have to accept smaller initial margins? How would buyer sharing of any capital appreciation in the real property at the end of the term impact front-end pricing?

    **RSI’s “HIT” offerings are priced directly to the Investor Shareholder’s above market annual income dividends and normally less costs per week than other competitive Shared Ownership products. Our total short-term marketing/sales/admin cost is less does not exceed 18%. The developers ROI are substantially enhanced.

    Term – 15 or 20 years would seem to make sense, depending on location and buyer profiles.

    **RSI’s global research results indicates potential buyers interest in 15-years products with 14% annual income dividends. The “HIT” extended term is determined by the investor shareholders.

    Financing – assuming consumer financing returns at some point, could term-delimited products be readily financed? Sure, right-to-use timeshare products could be financed before the implosion, but in the fractional realm the loan amounts would be substantially higher. Suggests there might be financing issues.

    **The “HIT” investment offering fund’s is Debt-Free and its low sales costs and short-term marketing programs generates both construction and purchase financing (50% or less) with more cash buyers generated by our unique affluent target markets.

    Accounting and taxation – what are the consequences of this product configuration for financial reporting and taxation? It feels to me as though we’re straying into lease territory, with revenue recognition being spread over the duration of the interest.

    **RSI retains the top public accounting firms to issue a “Letter of Opinion” on our “HIT” financial model projections plus performs the annual income distribution audits. If the “HIT” is registered for sales i.e. REITs, then our investors receive 90% income dividends tax-free. You must review our sample Project Financial Feasibility Model Analysis to better understand.

  • Profile picture of bgwilly bgwilly said 10 months, 1 week ago:

    I have seen then and love the idea..what a better way to nurse a client to timeshare health…a very good idea.